The importance of transparency
@Carol_Broadsword @Lea_Broadsword @John_Broadsword
With all this apparent doom looming overhead (I know a million other things added up to this too) from the bird I was wondering if it was possible for John and/or few others with more knowledge of the inner workings to take the time to be more transparent and interactive with their dwindling player base? I think that spending IDK maybe an hour every other day or every few days to be on the boards addressing players, their concerns, and letting us know whats going on directly would go a long way to help start restoring some faith. None of us want to see this game go but we seem to be at a point where players feel ignored and are seeking fun elsewhere. Simply talking to us and letting us know what BS is thinking, where they're headed, or even if its just to say you've made a baby step on some project. Progress reports will help from people making their own assumptions and spreading them as fact as well. And if that's not a possibility could you at least explain why since it seems like a easy idea to implement.
With all this apparent doom looming overhead (I know a million other things added up to this too) from the bird I was wondering if it was possible for John and/or few others with more knowledge of the inner workings to take the time to be more transparent and interactive with their dwindling player base? I think that spending IDK maybe an hour every other day or every few days to be on the boards addressing players, their concerns, and letting us know whats going on directly would go a long way to help start restoring some faith. None of us want to see this game go but we seem to be at a point where players feel ignored and are seeking fun elsewhere. Simply talking to us and letting us know what BS is thinking, where they're headed, or even if its just to say you've made a baby step on some project. Progress reports will help from people making their own assumptions and spreading them as fact as well. And if that's not a possibility could you at least explain why since it seems like a easy idea to implement.
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Sadly all that would do is anger everyone playing it which would most likely result in a lot of them not even returning to live out of spite. The best thing I could see would be focus on live get it back to an enjoyable state then deal with the ashes.
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I don’t buy that for one second, bro. If there’s only 1 weed dealer in town, you’re not gonna quit smoking out of spite.
Destroy it, they will return.
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I left live because of the state of my realm the 24 /7 no point no strategy zerging the healing that is just out of control now I mean seriously virtually every toon in the game has access to heals .
Stupid over the top uses ablatives artifacts all kinds of stuff that’s manipulated twisted and exploited.
Classes now that are so far removed from what they once were.
The amount of rps handed out on live are just stupid realm rank is a joke now.
The other thing is that there’s no room for overpowered classes on live because they don’t fit the daoc paper view of how an 8 man should be.
What the people who come up with these nerfs to these classes do is that they drive the average casual player away.
The elite players don’t play the cheese classes but it gives players with average skill the chance to compete.
Every realm should have some overpowered classes.
I could never understand why they banned macro groups they were a lot of fun maybe that’s the point you got puritans running this game who just don’t like fun
Finally the population is bad because of all of the above and some other reasons that I maybe haven’t mentioned.it is a social game so where are you gonna play a server with 4000 k people logging in or a server with 3 people playing a cat called Gerald and a hamster running around going neep neep.
I’ve said all this stuff before and probably more but I know I’m pissing in the wind .
I still got one account open and I still occasionally log in.
But I don’t see anything to draw me back at the moment hoping the future is bright but don’t see any rays of sunshine coming out from broadsword.
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I agree with this!
Makes no sense why there was a class balanced patch. I thought classes were already well balanced anyway with a few over powered classes that was in every realm anyway.
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What we need is information. No one knows the direction BS is going, we have no idea other then tid bits of information we get. They are so far behind on bugs BS is giving away carrots, and fluff with masks, “cool” but garbage. We know they will be doing f2p but how can it beat what is already out unless there are some type of advantage they have over said server. We have no idea how they will re-invent this game. You’d think we would want to pull from all DAoC avenues to bring the population to what it was or more, but then we need to start retaining said base players with silly looking gear or boots/gloves/helms or whatever.
Either way, I still play live and will not leave for another server/company to play make believe DAoC with a bunch of scrubs who are stuck in the past.
GL
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It was a good idea they made OW and Curse group as no one would of done them by now as it would of been difficult to get the players but still very bad content.
edit: Oh i agree on the information part! They really need to give us a 1-2 year plan on what they are up to. Bits of information isn't very informative at all.
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It would be nice to have a bit more communication around progress toward goals and banned accounts. However I can guess some of the later by seeing which characters have had all the realm points removed.
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It always comes down to is the game fun --- if it is, people stay, if it's not, they don't IF there is an alternative...everyone is dancing around the issue, the current state isn't fun for a majority of players....one would think that would be a critical consideration.....
You have to be more transparent than what is happening now. Consumers are harder to please now. Vendors must try harder to please the consumer especially when more products are offered. Or wait until you run out of consumers.
And so goes the old cliche' - "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results". Time to change the meta....
Open it up. Announce cheaters... show the banned list.... explain why they were banned.... Shame those who need shamed... give realm timers a shot.... who knows... lots have left recently... who knows where they are or why they left. But it isnt looking good
Well said ---- though sadly....
"The type of of dev communication of 30 mins a day updates mentioned here just isn't feasible." - Carol_Broadsword
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Anyhow
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Actually they can't....or at least haven't; there can never be an actual productive discussion on an open forum without a consensus on so many things, terms/scope/something to focus the conversation; not to mention actual active participation by those who 'make the decisions' ......frankly, there <today> isn't even a consensus on terms...is RvR better now .... is there even a consensus on what Realm V Realm is ---- does any player even know what is in the realm of possible <in respect to changes>? Why has this transparency issue been recurring?? --- I submit a large number of players have a different view of transparency than do the developers.
Agree 100 percent
Feedback that's cute oh you mean what we've been telling 'them' for the past 3+ years...
Meanwhile the last few loyal to live get ... for speaking how they feel @Carol_Broadsword
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most of us never left daoc and have played constantly 7 days a week we have been telling the devs internal boards knights you name it about all this stuff for years.
People don’t want to bash the game but how do you point out what’s wrong with the game.
I've been playing this game since 2001 with a few breaks in between that lasted no more than two years. My last hiatus ended three years ago. Literally, I've watched the game evolve over time. It's leagues better now than what it was before.
You can point out what's wrong with the game without bashing. Simply saying the Devs ruined it doesn't work. Explain how they've ruined it. Provide some context and be specific. Start polls if you're looking for consensus. There are long standing bugs. However, some have been around since the Mythic days and even since the game went Live. Why aren't these fixed still? Probably because they don't know how to without screwing something else up. I used to hear back in the day that Mythic was horrible at writing and noting their code for the game. Granted, that's hearsay but it wouldn't surprise me if that was part of the problem.
I do agree that BS needs to be more active in the community and be transparent as to what they're working on. The vague "There's a lot in store for 2019" statement means nothing. EA owning the game may vary well be part of the problem as that company doesn't have a good reputation. All we can do is voice our concerns, respectfully, and vote with our feet by cancelling subs if issues are not addressed that we feel should be. If the game dies, it dies. The fact it has lasted this long boggles me but I'll take it.
"The type of of dev communication of 30 mins a day updates mentioned here just isn't feasible." - Carol_Broadsword
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1. Bug tracking system (i.e. Jordheim crash bug. - potential fix time vs the problem. "We don't know how to fix it" would be an acceptable answer, even though it would be unpopular. "Yup, we are working on it".. for 3 years, is not. (in my opinion at least)
2. More active GM's/CSR's. 99% of my appeals are abandoned. Yes.. ultimately by me, but after 3 days, i figure its not gonna happen. I pay less for AAA roadside assistance and they get there within an hour :-). Not bashing, but a statement. If i do need to appeal.. i have that one friend who must have a CSR on speed dial. I will reach out to them and say , "hey ..i didnt get credit for this, or this just happened", 10 mins later i get a tell from a CSR. That's not an appeal system though.. thats the buddy system, and my buddy isnt always on.
3. Open the ban list. This would reinforce some confidence that GM's/CSRs are actually monitoring appeals, the game, etc. Whats wrong with public shaming? Local papers do it to convicts all the time. Ever watch COPS?... bad boys bad boys... whatcha gonna do.....
4. Act don't re-act. So many of the recent changes were brought about as a reaction to other circumstances.
Just a few ideas... criticism is welcome, but please provide feedback. Im paid up for another month. Action is to a level now that re-upping isnt very high on my to do list.
I believe I spelled out in pretty clear words what I think is wrong.
I’ve also explained in various other posts what to do to fix it now you take that which ever way you want I’m not expecting the status quo to change and to be honest that frustration with not being listened to is a part of why myself and 5000 others might be somewhere else if you don’t think my opinions valid fine I can live with that.
You misunderstood. I came back three years ago.
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It is clear that people want increased population. Aside from more people to play with, if you could have 3 changes, what would they be ? I'll wiggle my nose and see if the magic happens
Upgrade on the Relics so that are actually worth keeping.
Removal of Champ Heals, Sup Buff Pots, Buff Merchants. bring all classes back down to earth. Make is so you need to put buffs and heals in your groups to survive again. Everyone is buffed to the max all the time. 10 minute solo fights are fun once in a while not all the time.
the problem is, you see a problem with an upcoming 'change', you have the opportunity to point out the flaw and are summarily ignored, it goes live and fails <much in the way it was pointed out it would> and is eventually changed <often not for the better> or left to fester -- now, rinse repeat and nothing much changes in direction or scope ---while I agree presentation is important, at some point you just have to wonder how are decisions actually made at this place and is change <for the better> a realistic goal.
I agree with this 100%!! The only thing I would add to this would be working towards putting more things on the MTX shop and lowering the cost of monthly sub's. I think making it $10 a month to play paying for one month at a time would be a good start, and making it so its only $5 a month for a yearly subscription would be great. $15 a month for a 18+ year old game is too much. It's not that people can't afford $15 a month, but many gamers I know of would ask why they would pay $15 a month for a game that old. They would rather pay that $15 a month for a newer game.
1. Lower the cost. They need to increase the MTX shop and lower the sub price. It shouldn't cost more than $60 a year to play this game. It's 18 years old.
2. FIX THE BUGS!!! Seriously, there are so many major and minor bugs in this game it is ridiculous. I know they are limited on resources, but instead of trying to come up with new content instead focus on fixing everything in the game. Again, it's an 18 year old game. No reason for it to have so many bugs on such an old game.
3. Ban the cheaters and be public about it and add more in game CSR's. As @Sleepwell said, it takes WAY too long to get an answer when you make an /appeal in game. I shouldn't have to log into the forum and send @Carol_Broadsword a message or hop on discord to report an issue, or even worse, have to use a buddy that know's a CSR. There is an in game appeal system and there should always be somebody on and responding to the in game appeals. If I report a guy cheating I should at least get a response right away from somebody that says they will look into it. When I make an /appeal for anything I'm lucky if I hear back within 3-4 days, and then its usually a very generic email that says nothing.
I would take those 3 things over some new PvE zone, or revamping of Frontiers, or even a ladder progression server and all 3 of those things would take way less resources. I'm not saying they can't focus on other things as well, but those 3 are the ones that effect me the most.
Dilly Dilly!! 100% Agree
I would rather say only lower if it doesn't result even lower support then we currently have.
Thank you!
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I do agree that this will probably be looked at after f2p comes out and they see how it does. But I still say that $15 a month to play an 18+ year old game is a bit ridiculous.
Agreed as well. Goes back to your statement about being pro-active instead of reactive. Now with the population so low it may not be feasible to do this.
Countless newer mmos failed and closed over the years since daoc is around. Whatever be the total sum I spent on it, its probably paid off me more in memories then those.
Anyway, I do understand what you saying, and you feel like the lowered amount would represent more of the worth for you, but that will always be subjective for everyone.
We have to see how live goes after, and BS will decide based on those to make the most out of it I am sure.
Yup alot of people spent their extremely extremely precious IRL time and logged onto Pendragon. Made thread after thread after thread essentially begging 'them' @John_Broadsword not to let things like the stealther revamp/pet patches get unleashed onto Live.
I wonder why everyone is kinda miffed...Do the math
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