savage wall climb reevaluated

Muylae · March 2019

so technically savages can get climb walls, but no savage will ever spec that that xxx spec.

so on paper all 3 realms have equal amounts of climb wall classes, but not in reality. the whole savage climb wall thing just looks to me like a 'rofl from BS' thing.

Tyrantanic · March 2019

Minstrel and Savage should get Climb Wall for free like the Vamp, imo. Wishful thinking tho =(

Catdogchicken · March 2019

Always thought a heavy tank for each realm should have a castable buff (1 hour timer) that gives a player climbing spikes ability for 30 seconds too. But then I think of cheap BG tactics then I forget all about it again.

Gavner · March 2019

Must admit, that in current state, I've only seen 1 or 2 savages in the past after release trying out spec to see if it's worth it, but none after that. At this point it could also be set to 50 parry, to make sure even less then 1 will access it. If that's intended, sure, I just don't see why even bother to add the option there at this point, we could also give it to Shamans then on 50 Mend or smth for whatever reason.

Corey117 · March 2019

Would a 2h savage spec high enough for climbwalls?? 39weapon 50savagery? Kinda a worthless spec tbh but not in BG play

Badnagen · March 2019

My savage is spec'd for climb walls. But he is also spec'd for axe and uses 2 hander. It is not a spec I would solo on by any means, but is fine running with the bg. I think thats what it was intended for.

Dreamscape · March 2019

Muylae wrote: »

so technically savages can get climb walls, but no savage will ever spec that that xxx spec.

so on paper all 3 realms have equal amounts of climb wall classes, but not in reality. the whole savage climb wall thing just looks to me like a 'rofl from BS' thing.

Think I've only ran across one that was specced for climb walls.

Jadedgrace · March 2019

Wall climb was originally restricted to assassins, archers and minstrels. Archers were nerfed straight away. That left stealthers and minnys. Mythic gave in to the crying from other realms and gave wall climb to heavy armor classes. (Terrible move). Wall climb needs to be reassessed to be more realistic. Restrict it to classes that could feasibily do it in their armor. Assassins and archers--end of story. And no, I can not, will not picture a mage class scaling a wall in his cloth dress. Archers and assassins.

Fateboi · March 2019

Jadedgrace wrote: »

Wall climb was originally restricted to assassins, archers and minstrels. Archers were nerfed straight away. That left stealthers and minnys. Mythic gave in to the crying from other realms and gave wall climb to heavy armor classes. (Terrible move). Wall climb needs to be reassessed to be more realistic. Restrict it to classes that could feasibily do it in their armor. Assassins and archers--end of story. And no, I can not, will not picture a mage class scaling a wall in his cloth dress. Archers and assassins.

Wall climb was assasin only that I remember then Vampiirs. Minstrel's have always had it that I remember since they where base class rogue, but could be wrong

Muylae · March 2019

Jadedgrace wrote: »

Wall climb was originally restricted to assassins, archers and minstrels. Archers were nerfed straight away. That left stealthers and minnys. Mythic gave in to the crying from other realms and gave wall climb to heavy armor classes. (Terrible move). Wall climb needs to be reassessed to be more realistic. Restrict it to classes that could feasibily do it in their armor. Assassins and archers--end of story. And no, I can not, will not picture a mage class scaling a wall in his cloth dress. Archers and assassins.

i agree that the classes with the heaviest armour make no sense to climb walls. i mean people in plate or chain climbing a wall, the idea is ridiculous.

but if you say archers could climb walls, then by their armour definition, zerks and savages would be able to climb too... that would tip favours towards midgard in an unbalanced way even if it fits the lore maybe best.

the thing is, atm the amount of people in each realm that can climb walls is unbalanced, it favours hibernia.

by only looking at armour, mincers wouldn't be able to climb walls (chain)

and if you look at only armour, then why can't maulers, valewalkers and heretics climb walls since vamps can climb walls ? and vamps don't need to spec for it. uh, just no.

vamps getting climb walls for free and mincers and especially savages having to spec for it is just unfair.

Enersha · March 2019

Vamps hover they should be able to climb walls like ninjas.

Brut · March 2019

You just woken up to everything favouring Hibernia jeez Muy with that statement wait for the wall of outraged hibs tearing your ass a new one because you dared to state the bleeding obvious.

Tyrantanic · March 2019

I'm primarily Hib and I agree with Muy's statement regarding Vamp climb wall. I've never understood why Minstrels still had to spec for it while Vamps got it for free. Make climb walls free for the hybrid climbers or remove it. Nothing inbetween is necessary.

Jadedgrace · March 2019

Minstrels having wall climb as a spec was IMHO par of the forced necessity to make a decision on spec. It also fell in line with "Minstrels are good at everything, great at nothing". And at their base, Minstrels are a rogue class. Yeah they could climb walls, but then what? They have no damage, no heals, no decent cc.

You guys have some great responses. My point was this: wall climb should be restricted to stealth classes period. And yes, that includes giving it back to archers!

Fateboi · March 2019

Jadedgrace wrote: »

Minstrels having wall climb as a spec was IMHO par of the forced necessity to make a decision on spec. It also fell in line with "Minstrels are good at everything, great at nothing". And at their base, Minstrels are a rogue class. Yeah they could climb walls, but then what? They have no damage, no heals, no decent cc.

You guys have some great responses. My point was this: wall climb should be restricted to stealth classes period. And yes, that includes giving it back to archers!

Lol back in the day they said that Archers would gain the ability to climb trees? Don't need archers climbing into keeps with their ranged DPS destroying people.

Minstrel is base class rogue which is why they had the ability to spec for since what Old Frontiers?

Corey117 · March 2019

Give wall climb to everyone ! It will cost 50 ra points! Assassins can still get for free

Badnagen · March 2019

Climb walls should apply to assasin classes only. Let minstrels spec it if they wear leather. Implement ladders in seige equipment, kind of like the seige towers but more vulnerable to damage.

Jadedgrace · March 2019

Fantastic responses. I love the ladder idea. I think most here agree though, maybe it's time to re-evaluate wall climb as an ability.

Hellblast · March 2019

I think climb wall should be for assasin only too ... like it was before .

Impounded · March 2019

Badnagen wrote: »

Climb walls should apply to assasin classes only. Let minstrels spec it if they wear leather. Implement ladders in seige equipment, kind of like the seige towers but more vulnerable to damage.

Stick with the first sentence and scrap the rest..

Koe · March 2019

That some classes can climb walls while being melee'd to escape is beyond me. At a minimum, a class should take 2x damage (sort of like sitting down) if their back is turned and they are trying to concentrate on scaling a wall while sword blows rain down on their back and neck.

Jadedgrace · March 2019

I'm kosher with this idea, but if you're going to take wall climb away from minstrels, then replace it with some other reason to spec stealth. I would settle for movement speed in stealth from spec vs wall climb

Fateboi · March 2019

Negative base class rogue Minstrels have climbed walls since what OF lol just stop....

Tyrantanic · March 2019

I'm honestly not sure why some are up in arms about heavy tanks and hybrids having climb wall. I've seen people cite tanks not dying due to out of LoS heals but that's a separate issue covered in another thread.

Requiring Savages and Minstrels to spec for the ability while Vamps have it for free is unnecessary. I stand by my statement that all three should have it for free or have it removed entirely. If the latter were to occur, then maybe give Archers the ability via stealth spec. Three classes per Realm is enough.

Creaper · March 2019

I think it is fine as is. Savage's can spec 2 handed and get climb wall. Give something to a class and they just bitch its not enough.

Impounded · March 2019

Creaper wrote: »

Give something to a class and they just bitch its not enough.

Welcome to Daoc 2016+ bitch bitch bitch get change then bitch about the changes.

Siambra · March 2019

Bunnies climb up and destroy enemies !!

Armagedden · March 2019

I've always though BS giving savages climb wall at 50 savagery was awesome. Still do. I enjoy the idea of sacrifice to gain something. Giving it to tanks for free to begin with was silly. Even more so with broken spread heals (going along with the recent discussion about LoS healing issues).

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Muylae · March 2019

Siambra wrote: »

Bunnies climb up and destroy enemies !!

Muylae · March 2019

Armagedden wrote: »

I've always though BS giving savages climb wall at 50 savagery was awesome. Still do. I enjoy the idea of sacrifice to gain something. Giving it to tanks for free to begin with was silly. Even more so with broken spread heals (going along with the recent discussion about LoS healing issues).

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we beg to differ in opinion then i guess. what did vamps have to give up ?

Creaper · March 2019

Vamps don't have Free Charge 5, Access to Det, and no stoicism. So to compare them to a savage just because both have climb walls is silly. Give Vamps all that **** and I would be fine with lowering climb walls in the savage line.

Armagedden · March 2019

Muylae wrote: »

Armagedden wrote: »

I've always though BS giving savages climb wall at 50 savagery was awesome. Still do. I enjoy the idea of sacrifice to gain something. Giving it to tanks for free to begin with was silly. Even more so with broken spread heals (going along with the recent discussion about LoS healing issues).

Anyone complaining about speccing 50 savagery for climb walls is a 'tard.

we beg to differ in opinion then i guess. what did vamps have to give up ?

You also have a terrible spec. 40ish sav/50 h2h when playing in groups where you can have all red buffs up with 100% hp all the time for 40 seconds, but you settle for yellow buffs and wasting points in h2h to get... nothing

Edit: not to mention red endo buff which can make you permaspam BM styles at certain times (incredible for zerg play) as long as you have decent heals on you...

I don't hate you, I just think you're doing things wrong and I wish you would see the light

savage wall climb reevaluated

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