Can we finally get Heal Bonus to affect all heal spells including HoTs? I can see how some of the new HoTs would need to be toned down but it's about time this bonus works across the board.
When I clicked on this post I thought that someone was finally going to make a discussion about how %heal bonus is stupid AF and how it needs to be nerfed. Nope I was wrong
you want it to affect hots.... which are already OP as it is on specific classes that have them...
People want it to only effect heal classes, direct heal abilities... There's a difference.
As a few pointed out... HB on solo toons currently is out of control and high def classes benefits soooo much more then others with all the new cursed gear.
TL:DR - nerf HB to only effect actual heal spells on
Heal bonus should only apply to targeted in LOS heals. Spread heals and mindless I stand outside the keep and group heal should be reduced.
Heal bonus isn't the issue. It's the fact that disease doesn't do anything versus spread heals. Group heals won't keep anyone up through damage especially if the target is diseased. It's the spread heal spam that keeps people up on all realms. Not just attackers. Every realm has spread healers spamming away in safety.
Give clerics target disease. I say add it to a low delve smite spell.
No. Clerics have access to this, CL lines.
that is like saying arms have access to heal lines through CLs.. Not worth the CL investment imo ... although w/ the addition of pally resis buffs .. you might be on to something here.
Give clerics target disease. I say add it to a low delve smite spell.
No. Clerics have access to this, CL lines.
that is like saying arms have access to heal lines through CLs.. Not worth the CL investment imo ... although w/ the addition of pally resis buffs .. you might be on to something here.
It's also like saying healers have access to cl weapon styles for damage. Not with the investment there either.
I think % heal bonus should be there but it should only apply to heal classes and actual heal spells rather than charges and procs.
agree
Stor Hurfru Muylasav, wildly swinging arms around. Vicomte Muylock, calling curses on enemies. Baron Muylaetrex, Undead guy. Baronet Muylaetrix, calling upon winter storms. Baronet Facetothewallmuppet, support type standing with his face to the wall most of the time. Baronetess Yovonne, taxi. some other chars with names starting with Muyl.
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This is what I was getting at. Only heal spells would be affected not procs.
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Stor Hurfru Muylasav, wildly swinging arms around. Vicomte Muylock, calling curses on enemies. Baron Muylaetrex, Undead guy. Baronet Muylaetrix, calling upon winter storms. Baronet Facetothewallmuppet, support type standing with his face to the wall most of the time. Baronetess Yovonne, taxi. some other chars with names starting with Muyl.
Friars/vamps/maulers would be unkillable with 25% bonus to hots
agree
Stor Hurfru Muylasav, wildly swinging arms around. Vicomte Muylock, calling curses on enemies. Baron Muylaetrex, Undead guy. Baronet Muylaetrix, calling upon winter storms. Baronet Facetothewallmuppet, support type standing with his face to the wall most of the time. Baronetess Yovonne, taxi. some other chars with names starting with Muyl.
Throw in ip gloves and I’d bet most toons nowadays could go back in time and solo old frontier groups.
lol, i think i could solo fg's of old frontier groups on my savage. it's not a fair comparison.
Stor Hurfru Muylasav, wildly swinging arms around. Vicomte Muylock, calling curses on enemies. Baron Muylaetrex, Undead guy. Baronet Muylaetrix, calling upon winter storms. Baronet Facetothewallmuppet, support type standing with his face to the wall most of the time. Baronetess Yovonne, taxi. some other chars with names starting with Muyl.
Give clerics target disease. I say add it to a low delve smite spell.
No. Clerics have access to this, CL lines.
that is like saying arms have access to heal lines through CLs.. Not worth the CL investment imo ... although w/ the addition of pally resis buffs .. you might be on to something here.
It's also like saying healers have access to cl weapon styles for damage. Not with the investment there either.
the only time that a healer got a solo kill was with oil, or on a afk person. no healer ever got a kill on a person that fought back.
Stor Hurfru Muylasav, wildly swinging arms around. Vicomte Muylock, calling curses on enemies. Baron Muylaetrex, Undead guy. Baronet Muylaetrix, calling upon winter storms. Baronet Facetothewallmuppet, support type standing with his face to the wall most of the time. Baronetess Yovonne, taxi. some other chars with names starting with Muyl.
Give clerics target disease. I say add it to a low delve smite spell.
No. Clerics have access to this, CL lines.
that is like saying arms have access to heal lines through CLs.. Not worth the CL investment imo ... although w/ the addition of pally resis buffs .. you might be on to something here.
It's also like saying healers have access to cl weapon styles for damage. Not with the investment there either.
the only time that a healer got a solo kill was with oil, or on a afk person. no healer ever got a kill on a person that fought back.
Give clerics target disease. I say add it to a low delve smite spell.
No. Clerics have access to this, CL lines.
that is like saying arms have access to heal lines through CLs.. Not worth the CL investment imo ... although w/ the addition of pally resis buffs .. you might be on to something here.
It's also like saying healers have access to cl weapon styles for damage. Not with the investment there either.
the only time that a healer got a solo kill was with oil, or on a afk person. no healer ever got a kill on a person that fought back.
Give clerics target disease. I say add it to a low delve smite spell.
No. Clerics have access to this, CL lines.
that is like saying arms have access to heal lines through CLs.. Not worth the CL investment imo ... although w/ the addition of pally resis buffs .. you might be on to something here.
It's also like saying healers have access to cl weapon styles for damage. Not with the investment there either.
the only time that a healer got a solo kill was with oil, or on a afk person. no healer ever got a kill on a person that fought back.
1st video is from Jan 2015
2nd video is from 2008
Last video is classic/si servers, published in 2015 (and it looks like old frontiers map, but hard to see)
How is this remotely relevant to game play today? A solo healer may be viable if you have the patience of a saint, but even the most seasoned and well played healer is going to have a very hard time running solo.
1st video is from Jan 2015
2nd video is from 2008
Last video is classic/si servers, published in 2015 (and it looks like old frontiers map, but hard to see)
How is this remotely relevant to game play today? A solo healer may be viable if you have the patience of a saint, but even the most seasoned and well played healer is going to have a very hard time running solo.
You have anything new to show us?
Lol read Muylocks quote. Where did I say these videos were relevantly dated and in what subjective context would that even matter?
Clearly solo healers existed at some point, and healers have earned death blows. Statement debunked.
In the context in which you have written; yes, at some point healers could solo. However, I find it fairly obtuse that you would pull up videos, which are completely outdated and not remotely relevant to the solo play or lack there of, healers today. Perhaps you could find rare glimpse of the overpowering solo, champ weapon spec'd healer in today's setting.
Maybe you just needed to be right about something and take it to an extreme of finding outdated material in which to prove your point. Good job!
In the context in which you have written; yes, at some point healers could solo. However, I find it fairly obtuse that you would pull up videos, which are completely outdated and not remotely relevant to the solo play or lack there of, healers today. Perhaps you could find rare glimpse of the overpowering solo, champ weapon spec'd healer in today's setting.
Maybe you just needed to be right about something and take it to an extreme of finding outdated material in which to prove your point. Good job!
someone ate pissed filled cheerios today. You're assuming far, far, far too much bud.
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While true, your logic is flawed and inaccurate --- not that you care
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100% true, blah blah blah blah --- Now I'm gonna make the mid zerg do circles for the next hour to punish them.
HoTs would need serious adjustment at the upper level. Broadsword perhaps could build in healing bonus to spec the higher you spec the more % you have and remove it from gear. This would then at least provide additional bonus to speccing that high in a heal line.
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100% true, blah blah blah blah --- Now I'm gonna make the mid zerg do circles for the next hour to punish them.
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100% true, blah blah blah blah --- Now I'm gonna make the mid zerg do circles for the next hour to punish them.
I fixed your reply.
Just fix yourself
So... more punishment circles on EV for your zerg?
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100% true, blah blah blah blah --- Now I'm gonna make the mid zerg do circles for the next hour to punish them.
I fixed your reply.
Just fix yourself
So... more punishment circles on EV for your zerg?
Guess you still need work on that fix --- try Mass General Hospital.....
I would like to attempt to bring this thread back in topic.
RonELuvv wrote: »
"I think % heal bonus should be there but it should only apply to heal classes and actual heal spells rather than charges and procs."
This is what I was getting at. This would require to much actual work on behalf of broadsword however and why I suggested removing the bonus entirely ( changing all current gear to buff bonus or power pool whatever) and adjusting casted heals with the bonus built in.
Sure it benefits the classes that have heals, let's just call it a feature to get people to play more support classes.
Now let's stay on topic, ok Postcou...err Official Forums?
PS sorry for the ghetto quotes, please fix quote feature on mobile browsers!
I would like to attempt to bring this thread back in topic.
RonELuvv wrote: »
"I think % heal bonus should be there but it should only apply to heal classes and actual heal spells rather than charges and procs."
This is what I was getting at. This would require to much actual work on behalf of broadsword however and why I suggested removing the bonus entirely ( changing all current gear to buff bonus or power pool whatever) and adjusting casted heals with the bonus built in.
Sure it benefits the classes that have heals, let's just call it a feature to get people to play more support classes.
Now let's stay on topic, ok Postcou...err Official Forums?
PS sorry for the ghetto quotes, please fix quote feature on mobile browsers!
Simply make the Heal bonus of up to 25% only apply to targeted LOS heals.
"Simply make the Heal bonus of up to 25% only apply to targeted LOS heals."
Perhaps, if you think group heals and spread heals need a nerf, however that may be a topic for another thread.
Edit: you may also need to consider if the added bonus should apply to reverse and active heal spells (warden, Friar, Bard, healer, cleric) and heal styles (Friar), & Valk pbaoe heal
"Simply make the Heal bonus of up to 25% only apply to targeted LOS heals."
Perhaps, if you think group heals and spread heals need a nerf, however that may be a topic for another thread.
Edit: you may also need to consider if the added bonus should apply to reverse and active heal spells (warden, Friar, Bard, healer, cleric) and heal styles (Friar), & Valk pbaoe heal
Make the Heal bonus up to 20% ONLY apply to targeted LOS heals.
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Attach heal bonus to heal line spec and remove it from gear all together. This way only base healers can gain the % by speccing into their heal line. Leave Mastery of Healing as a RA now for everyone. This will provide them with the ability to have it but at a cost. Leave the way it functions alone since not healers would have to make a choice with RAs to gain the benefit.
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This is what I was getting at. Only heal spells would be affected not procs.
People want it to only effect heal classes, direct heal abilities... There's a difference.
As a few pointed out... HB on solo toons currently is out of control and high def classes benefits soooo much more then others with all the new cursed gear.
TL:DR - nerf HB to only effect actual heal spells on
I love how the solution is so simple yet it hasn't been fixed yet
No. Clerics have access to this, CL lines.
that is like saying arms have access to heal lines through CLs.. Not worth the CL investment imo ... although w/ the addition of pally resis buffs .. you might be on to something here.
It's also like saying healers have access to cl weapon styles for damage. Not with the investment there either.
No cause that would make template EZer for other toys. They should just reduce the Value of NON LOS heals.
I can get on board with that. Not going to happen, would mean you would have to be able to code it.
And what would be the problem with that exactly?
Gear creep would then present itself in a different form.
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lol, i think i could solo fg's of old frontier groups on my savage. it's not a fair comparison.
the only time that a healer got a solo kill was with oil, or on a afk person. no healer ever got a kill on a person that fought back.
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2nd video is from 2008
Last video is classic/si servers, published in 2015 (and it looks like old frontiers map, but hard to see)
How is this remotely relevant to game play today? A solo healer may be viable if you have the patience of a saint, but even the most seasoned and well played healer is going to have a very hard time running solo.
You have anything new to show us?
Lol read Muylocks quote. Where did I say these videos were relevantly dated and in what subjective context would that even matter?
Clearly solo healers existed at some point, and healers have earned death blows. Statement debunked.
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https://www.granks.com/daoc/signature/char/IY0C9fELOGQ.jpg
Maybe you just needed to be right about something and take it to an extreme of finding outdated material in which to prove your point. Good job!
This is the quote I was referring to. It's bolded to emphasize the point I was making when I posted the links to solo healer videos.
The whole healer/dps concept is asinine regardless. Muy made a false statement and it was refuted. You came in guns blazing cause... reasons?
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What you just did...
I fixed your reply.
So... more punishment circles on EV for your zerg?
Guess you still need work on that fix --- try Mass General Hospital.....
RonELuvv wrote: »
"I think % heal bonus should be there but it should only apply to heal classes and actual heal spells rather than charges and procs."
This is what I was getting at. This would require to much actual work on behalf of broadsword however and why I suggested removing the bonus entirely ( changing all current gear to buff bonus or power pool whatever) and adjusting casted heals with the bonus built in.
Sure it benefits the classes that have heals, let's just call it a feature to get people to play more support classes.
Now let's stay on topic, ok Postcou...err Official Forums?
PS sorry for the ghetto quotes, please fix quote feature on mobile browsers!
Simply make the Heal bonus of up to 25% only apply to targeted LOS heals.
Perhaps, if you think group heals and spread heals need a nerf, however that may be a topic for another thread.
Edit: you may also need to consider if the added bonus should apply to reverse and active heal spells (warden, Friar, Bard, healer, cleric) and heal styles (Friar), & Valk pbaoe heal
Make the Heal bonus up to 20% ONLY apply to targeted LOS heals.
I made it more clear.
Attach heal bonus to heal line spec and remove it from gear all together. This way only base healers can gain the % by speccing into their heal line. Leave Mastery of Healing as a RA now for everyone. This will provide them with the ability to have it but at a cost. Leave the way it functions alone since not healers would have to make a choice with RAs to gain the benefit.