Scripting
Is scripting in-game "The way the game was intended" to be played? To many players are using scripts to have an advantage over other players. I heard them bragging about how much easier it is to fight verse the old style of pointing and clicking.
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Ex: I have my mezz and demezz on the same button. or have my side and back style on the same button. or style and flow up on same button.
So the only advantage is really convenience. its definitely not an automatic win because you have it.
The "ceiling" is calling that "skill"
People have to be aware that nowadays 99% of the ceiling-players are bugusing, cheating and scripting/automate.
Welcome to the "modern" DAoC.
Mahv
You obviously don't use Mojo (neither do I) because if you did you'd know it's good only for logging characters faster, switching qbars and adjusting some visual settings that you can't in daoc, or running multiple characters in macro teams which is not allowed in RvR.
You can also use the software from your mouse/keyboard.
You could youtube "daoc stepping up your game" and see videos from daoc knights about qbinds and double binding.
And your right i have not used programs like mojo but you can bind multiple stiles to one key there was even a video on how to set that up
Now if you watch and i just misunderstood it let me know im not the type that knows everything and will admit if im wrong
Dancing monkeys aren't necessarily scripting. You need to "dance" to be able to land positionals on high defense classes. Even on lower weaponskill classes (like a vamp for instance) you need to dance just to reliably land the anytime and get power, regardless of scripts or not.
They are unrelated things overall. You can dance without scripts. You can land the best style without scripts, it just requires more keys to press.
Landing multiple styles using the old way requires more skill than using a scripting program like AHK. However, good players will still land these styles the old fashioned way, increasing the skill gap even more.
scripting reduces the skill gap, so banning it would make things even worse for the "casuals".
Feels good to have a discussion where no one is being rude lol
Just because people brag about something being good... doesn't mean it's that good. lol.
This Great Game, Once Upon a Time, has lost total control of it's R.O.E and game integrity. I don't have to pay or play a game that will keep getting worst, and doing nothing about it.
See ya
Kind of pathetic that people are sequencing their moves. DAOC should disable programs like that imo.
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If it’s not such a big deal why run it if it’s not such a big deal why did the I really cheat groups get banned from free shards.
It kinda reflects badly on broadsword that it’s allowed here and actually used by there own employeees to farm paying customers.
You will protest it’s standard from your guys you and irc are the major problem with this game at the moment it cannot be right that one group or 2 groups of people dominate this game to the extent that they do.
They banned macro groups from the game so why not this
One button pushers no respect no skill
Don’t throw out the usual argument to get good to deflect what is actually going on it’s not good for the game or new players and if the players are that good why use it.
Some very shady practices going on by so called good players I hear it all day in day out by people who quit because they have played with them and seen the very shady stuff going on.
Example on a druid
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my E button does heal and root, if you think that makes someone capable, you are severely mistaken, convinient at best, but not even neccessary. I thought streaming gameplay makes it pretty transparent.
There is no secret code or magic, and there are better players then me, i just try my best to improve.
Edit: some gaming keyboard software sends key via hardware input, ahk is a software, and detectable. It just doesnt make sense to ban one and let one slip, especially since most feared players don't even use them / wouldn't really matter for them.
What a load of BS, DAoC got plenty of magic classes and many of them got secrets im sure.
You got me, now i have to provide a tutorial on how to use dark arts to perform in DAoC.
Looking forward to finally learn about the dark side of things !
Most of the secret stones were hidden in Catacombs, but they closed it down since its divine power blinded some people looking at them.
It seem highly unfair, that this knowledge should not be available to all players.
Wont someone think of the new lil luwies, kobbies and albion fishies !
Yeah keyboards that combine 2 buttons, I understand, but that’s not programming 5, 6, 7, buttons all in a row etc. That’s not skill, that’s like claiming you can sing, but only when using autotune. It’s timing everything for you, PLUS it allows you to do other things, because you aren’t as “busy”.
Imagine a fighting game, like Mortal Kombat, where you can macro combos (you can’t in reality), BUT only when using a 3rd party program. Nobody would consider this skill, even if it were legal.
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No capable player does that, neither need to. This is not Mortal-Kombat. Knowing what you do matters more then programming 7 buttons in a row. It achieves nothing, just robs you of agency over what you want to do.
Highest melee-speed is 1.5, casting times around 1 second. In this game you not going to get any better if you think 7 actions on one key will do you any good.
Also, why would you be busy? You know which button does what I hope. Maybe if you try find your actions on your qbar with mouse, that might drive your attention, hence QBinds can help in a game with more then 5 abilities. If someone can learn to type blind, it's a piece of cake to remember 10-15 key-abilities on a keyboard.
It's also not surprising that the server is dominated by one or two group. The population is ridiculously low. There isn't even a handful of 8mans that run during either primetime. This wasn't an issue 3+ years ago. We all know where they went. Those of us that remain should be more disgruntled by the lack of development in that time than getting killed by better players in a PvP game.
Most people who use / used are pretty aware of its flaws too. Double-binding enemy-friendly target spell is comfortable, but hold no real benefit beyond that.
When people think it's a smart idea to chain 7 abilities, they will fast notice they going to use stuff they didn't mean to, hence gameplay gets worse. I would advise against assist->face->spell->jump combos either, you quickly realise sometimes you don't want to face, or want to use different spell after, or just want to get the target to prepare to turn when you want. Can't really time programs that work in all scenario, you probably end up gimping your gameplay long-term.
I get it might sound sweet for someone, who used to click these with mouse 1-by-1, but just don't do that rather, and problem solved.
Average typing speed is about 40wpm, which is 3.3 keyclicks in a second, most people around computers do double/tripple, then you can add mouse-keys to that, this game doesn't benefit off doing 10 things in a second, only lock you out of agency to do what you want in different situations.
Are you kidding me? Let’s say for example, I log in ny NS, and I wanna Perf, CD, and dump on a caster. Ok so here’s a sequence (for 1 specific example) using my QBINDs.
Buttons
Mouse Side Button 1 = Perf style (disease or debuff up before perf)
Z = Sprint
3 (keyboard) = Insta dot
4 (keyboard) = Insta DD
Mouse Side Button 4 = Dot poison (swap poison immediately after first hit/poison lands)
G = Poisonpike
E = Creeping Death style
Now let’s say I wanted to macro these 7 abilities to 1 button, all I would have to do, is land a PA, and then let the program do the rest.
Because I’m pressing 7 different keys, PLUS movement keys, I’m very “busy”, scripting would make things much EASIER.
I use buy scripts in Counter Strike, and have used various others, but it’s PART of the game. It doesn’t require a 3rd party program. Those are illegal!
No matter the current skill lvl of a player, scripting will DEFINITELY make you better, if you put the time into it.
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Bro, nobody said that scripts are for EVERY situation. If I would were to use scripts for DAOC (which I won’t unless Broadsword adds in-game capabilities for them), I would use them in ADDITION to all my QBINDS. Only ADDING to my game.
Scripting will make any level of player better, PERIOD. Anyone who wants to argue with me about this, COME AND GET SOME.
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Edit: In that one example it will be more easy to do that one thing, I agree however, now you only need to script everything else to end up using more buttons then without scripts. Just make a few more, like when you want to use mezz poison, when you want to interrupt someone in the distance while doing that, when you want to save your timers, when you prefer go with disease etc etc.
I'd say 99% of all scripts will :
1. Bind a melee style follow-up with the opener
2. bind a melee reactionary/positional style to an anytime
3. bind an offensive and defensive ability on the same key
4. Loop an ability like the VW/valk buffer
You can get excited and start putting 5-6 abilities on the same key, but more often than not, your script bugs out because of lag and you end up missing more than anything.
How many of these people crying have a NAGA Mouse or similar with 12+ buttons on it? Is it also cheating to bind all my keys to my mouse?